In further discussion of the SOS (Save Open Space) flap, in the SLLU Chat group on 11/1, we reached substantial agreement on how the issue should be addressed.
We should definitely avoid any support of, or identification with SOS, which is clearly a "Land Baron" dominated group.
The more exploitive predatory Land Barons should be identified and exemplified, as having ruined a good thing in Open Space, with their greedy cheating.
LL should be recognized for bringing a relatively progressive and good idea, in the Open Space project, but criticized for handling it incompetently, by leaving loopholes, and allowing those loopholes to be exploited over time by the more predatory Land Barons, and then abruptly cutting off the project in the manner they did, leaving those who were not abusing the project, and who most legitimately needed and achieved good results with the project, in the lurch.
It should be relentlessly pointed out that with more timely and thorough ongoing consultation with all SL residents effected, and also with a vote, to more clearly establish and clarify everyone's role and stake in the project, the problems that emerged could have been prevented, or much better dealt with.
This does not mean that we would support a Land Baron "council" that would have the special ear of LL, heh....If there is to be democratic decision making, it must include all SL residents, and not be based on how much they pay or "invest" in SL.
We should definitely support those who most legitimately benefited from the Open Space project, and have been most hurt by predatory Land Baron greed, and LL mishandling, especially including legitimate non-profits.
SL residents have a legitimate right and need for more affordable and aesthetically appealing land. Legitimate non-profits and private efforts that substantialy benefit SL residents should be eligible for very cheap or free subsidized resources.
Terms like "predatory" and "Land Barons", "abuse" and "legitimate", or "benefit to SL residents", etc need to be clearly defined in practical terms, which can only be done fairly and reasonably by popular democratic means, rather than by arbitrary decrees from LL.
We should also keep pointing out, that while not yet technically feasible, the Open Grid, and the means for reliable digital democracy are on the horizon, and that people should be looking forward to, preparing for, and working toward those highly desirable goals.
Sunday, 2 November 2008
Summary of last nights debate on chatlog.
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Labels: land barons, linden lab, Open Space, save our sims, second life, SECOND LIFE LEFT UNITY, SL, sl left unity, SLLU, SOS
Two views from SL Left Unity on the Open Space controversy
My position on the Open Space controversy… Plot Tracer, SL Left Unity founding member.
I agree that it is reprehensible that a corporation such as Linden Lab are able to raise prices at a whim.
I feel that the Open Space project was one delivered originally by Linden Lab as a genuine new market – ie. cheaper, less prims etc. for light use.
Certain land owners took advantage of this new market, as capitalism does, and built rentable properties and rented them to people for the same prices, upping their profits. And upping their use – making it difficult to maintain four of them to a server.
The majority of Open Space users are landlords – mostly made up of the landlords who have become well off in real life due to their use of this market. There are some new landlords, some non-profits and a few, genuine Open space users who have accepted the cheaper sims in the way they were originally intended.
All of these, with the exception of the non-profits, are part of a market.
Non-Profits
The only true victim of this are the non-profits. Though, it has to be said, there has to be a distinction between these. Some non-profits are genuine charities and causes trying to highlight injustice in this failing capitalist (rl) world. Some are vanity projects by “great men and great women” who enjoy adulation, and declare liberal values, whilst controlling their sims in a very conservative and less than charitable way – but enough about them until their exposure is inevitable.
As a protestor and an agitator and a socialist and someone who is concerned with injustice etc, I feel that the only protests I would be participating in are those that are proposed by genuine non-profits. When Linden Lab have had their proposed direct consultations with these and they have not offered free alternatives, then expect me on the picket lines.
Bread and Roses
Second Life is not a necessity of life. It makes life enjoyable and it makes comradeship accessible to those who may not feel they can have this level of engagement with other people in real life. It is a rose, in the IWW’s, and old socialist cry - “Bread and Roses”.
We need both bread and roses to make life not just bearable, but worth living.
SL is a computer simulator ran by a profitable capitalist corporation. It gleans it’s money from “residents” and from other corporations who use the platform. Without money, this simulator would not exist. It is integrated into capitalism.
In my opinion (and this is an opinion – I welcome comradely debate on this), I feel rather than having demonstrations on price rises, we should be demanding that residents are given FREE land. There is enough land for everyone to utilise. This would not interfere with groups having large buildings/ places to play games etc as if there are enough people who want to use for example, “Greenies” then people will join a group and donate some of their land allowance to allow “Greenies” to exist.
Land allowance, imho in this instance, can only constantly rise.
How would this be funded in a RL capitalist world? How would Linden Lab justify increasing free land allowance to all of it’s residents?
Linden Lab glean a huge amount of money from corporations and research establishments. Lets take the reprehensible “Playboy” as an example. Playboy pay for a sim in SL. This can be visited by anyone who feels the need. Playboy get commercial exposure (which is questionable at the very least) – but the fact remains people can visit or not. These types of commercial sims could fund the expansion of SL – and free land allowance given to residents.
Some people may “abuse” the system.
Absolutely – this may be the case. Some people may create alts in order to have land allowance. In this case, all residents can police SL. Alts/ bots etc can be reported and dealt with. Questionable sims – ie sims made by groups of alts for profit etc, can be closed down. Anyone wishing to make profit can pay for sims/ pay for parcels etc in order to do so. Anyone found using their free alliance as a profitmaking exercise can be made to pay, so increasing the land allowance for the rest of us – or being closed down. These profit makers can fund the rest of us who wish to use SL for enjoyment and comradeship.
IMHO, in this capitalist society, to claim to be fighting for a free SL and then stand shoulder to shoulder with profit takers, is not a good use of agitators time.
Yes we should be supporting the “don’t spend or buy a Linden dollar on the 31st” – but we should be doing so on our terms. Because Capitalism is wrong and creates class and division – not because some people have been charged more for their “cheap” sims.
What about those people who are going to be charged who were genuine users?
The current situation.
I accept there were genuine users – and the Linden’s know who they were. In the current situation, then the Lindens need to accept this. It would not be an impossible task for them to have four genuine users to a sim – just copy the contents over to the relevant CPU and keep the pricing policy for those people. As soon as anyone goes over their usage, then charge them. It is as easy as that. My bank charges me from the minute I am overdrawn. It is not an impossibility to set up a usage charge for these regions. But then, capitalism never distinguishes between people. We are all a homogenised “consumer” and are treated as such.
In real life, we must fight for a fair system. While we are lumbered with capitalist institutions who bleed us for all of the time and money they can, we must fight to make them fairer until a fair society is won.
Reply from Ernest Newman, SL Left Unity
I'm inclined to agree with Plot, re: avoiding expressions of support for Land Barons who have deliberately pimped the OpenSpace sims for profit, which is basically what SOS seems to be organized by and for.
While there are legitimate complaints from those who have not abused the feature, especially including some renters, and the (legitimate) non profits, and activist groups, the following forum comments seem more representative of the main, loudest and most subjective elements of SOS, and I have absolutely no sympathy for them, lol.
Am also inclined to agree with the notion of Free Land (or genuinely affordable, at least) for average players, and charging a lot for big corporate presence, to subsidize that...
Short of excluding them, which we have no power to do, presently, our next best option would seem to be to try to limit and at least somewhat mitigate the big corp influence with LL, by continuing to press for more democratic approaches to LL decision making, which Smoke has put so much personal time, resources and energy into working for.
This issue of the OpenSpace sims does seem ideal for approaching these concepts.
Obviously, special weight needs to be given to the needs and opinions of "average" smaller users, namely those of us with "free" accounts...and not just to whoever pays a lot of cash for "Premium" access and use.
Interesting to note that the big payers like those below, also tend to be the ones who complain most in forums about "free" accounts, even though such are the vast majority of their customers, and SL residents., lol. The "big player" mindset can tend to be pretty disgusting, heh...
I see no big inherent contradiction between working for complete liberation from Capital, while also attempting to deal in a practical, realistic manner with the material conditions we face...like corporate pig and petite bourgeois Babbit presence in SL...we can even try to win over some elements from those groups, without pandering, selling out or capitulating to them, I think.
But I think our principle target group for organizing around this issue, and in general, should be the average SL resident, and that we should speak to the fact that they are the real losers and victims in this conflict between LL and the Land Barons, and in the general overall conflict between the corporate interests of LL, and those of us who actually create, inhabit and make SL viable, as average residents, without whom LL, the Corporations and petty entrepreneurs, and the entire metaverse, would have no material basis for existence.
Meanwhile, though, the absolutist idealism of demanding all or nothing tends to get us...absolutely nothing, heh.
No doubt about it, it is a tricky thing, and a fine line, between dealing in a principled, but realistic manner, and descending into opportunism...I think such efforts do need to be discussed at some length, in some detail...but preferably without too much rancour and hostility over what are usually fairly superficial disagreements, which could easily be resolved with a little compromise and mutual respect between comrades, and especially by not extrapolating each other's remarks to ridiculous and misrepresentative lengths.
That can often mean being willing to bury the hatchet (not in each other's heads, LOL, but deep in the ground!), and to let perceived slights and conflicts go by without rising up in self-righteous indignation and defensive hostility...this is not easy, for any of us...my remarks here are not aimed at one particular individual, but at our entire political spectrum... if the shoe fits, please take it off, and throw it away!
We will never have true unity, or democracy, until we can hash these things out amongst ourselves, and focus our bitterness on the real enemy.
Death to Capitalism, and it's moribund form, Fascism!
Sample Posts from LL Forum re: OpenSpace Sim Price-Hike:
Yesterday, 02:50 AM
#83
Joshua Sao
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5
wow
It's hard enough to make ends meet with you crashing the land market Jack. Privet sim owners have not yet recovered from your last "great idea" and you have yet another. Thank for TELLING us how things are going to go because people like myself who have spent well over $50,000 USD on land and almost $200,000 USD on paying LL tier shouldn't have a say right?
I think you are out of touch with the community and have no realistic idea of how what you do impacts your very well paying customers like myself.
Yesterday, 03:47 AM
#148
Master Quatro
Dreamland Archangel
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 30
We want our money back
This is cause for a lawsuit .. we purchased the open space sims with full knowledge that we could change parcel ownership .. Disallowing that now after we purchased so many and subdivided them .. we are stuck with them .. I don't need 18 open space sims for myself. What do you want me to do with them Jack ???
You have totally mismanaged land in SL since the start Jack. You have screwed those of us that have purchased sims to provide land to newcomers and others who don't like the mainland. Now you want us to take another hit.
Where does it end Jack ? Many of us are responsible for bringing new users to the grid. I regret the day I came here. This absolutely sucks !
MQ
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Thursday, 2 October 2008
Discussion inn SL on the Economic Crises

Friday 3 October 11.30am slt which is 7.30pm gmt
Led by Keksakallu Klata
Unity Station 9th floor
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Oculea/157/156/44
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Labels: banks, crises, economic, second life, SECOND LIFE LEFT UNITY, SL, sl left unity, SLLU, sub-prime
Friday, 26 September 2008
Chatlog of SLLU meeting 25 09 08
Meeting 25 09 08
Present:
Plot Tracer
TheEvil Chemistry
Palmindan Whybrow
Ledoof Constantineau
lionon Babii
Barillo Kohnke
Tenzou Yokosuka
maio1234567890maio Porta
Tenzou Yokosuka
Forelle Broek
Eln Alter
Bruce Radek
Ripscratch Zanzibar
Imper Fegte
Smoke Wijaya
Plot Tracer: ok - I think we will begin Can i ask is it ok if i am the convenor for this meeting?
[14:09] TheEvil Chemistry: sure
[14:09] Palmindan Whybrow raises his hand in approval
[14:09] Ledoof Constantineau: aye that's fine
[14:09] lionon Babii: its ok
[14:09] Barillo Kohnke: ok
[14:10] Plot Tracer: cool. OK. There are a few people here who are new to SLLU. thanks for coming along. I have called this meeting in order to reinvigorate the original concept of SLLU - and that is left unity.
[14:11] Plot Tracer: This group has, in the past, had a history that has taken it out odf SL and into RL - in the worlds press and on television news etc. We have led and been part of many famous fights in SL... ot least the fight against fascism but these kinds of actions are now more difficult to make the points they have in the past. Perhaps the last big victory we have helped in was the IBM strike - a great victory for Union 2.0.
[14:13] Plot Tracer: I want to first say that SLLU is not my organisation. I am not a leader. I helped set it up - but the leaders of this org are you and me - ie. the members.
So you and I need to decide what it's future shall bring. what is it for?
[14:14] Plot Tracer: So, I leave the floor open to comment.
[14:14] Plot Tracer: is an sl left unity group needed?
[14:16] Palmindan Whybrow: okay well i tend to think political action and discussion in SL should be to inform and compliment political action in RL
[14:17] Palmindan Whybrow: so i like the suggestions at the start of the agenda
[14:17] Palmindan Whybrow: i tend to think 'all of the above'
[14:17] Forelle Broek changes out of his antique suit and into something more comfortable!
[14:18] Plot Tracer: Anyone else like to add their thoughts?
[14:18] Barillo Kohnke: it's sure that an active and strong group of left activists is needed inworld...to discuss but also to coordinate initiatives..
[14:18] Tenzou Yokosuka: umm..
[14:19] Tenzou Yokosuka: no.
[14:19] Plot Tracer: what kinds of initiatives, Barillo?
[14:20] Palmindan Whybrow: to be honest i'm not aware of what kind of political initiatives have happened in SL
[14:20] Palmindan Whybrow: but i tend to think of the World Social FOrum movemnet
[14:20] Palmindan Whybrow: as a good example of how activists from around the world can get together to discuss and arrange political activity
[14:20] Plot Tracer: Pal - if you go to the sllu blog, and go back in time, you can see what we have been involved with
[14:20] Palmindan Whybrow: okay will definitely do that
[14:21] Tenzou Yokosuka: well
[14:21] Tenzou Yokosuka: im off
[14:21] Plot Tracer: ok bye tenzou - thanks for your input.
[14:21] TheEvil Chemistry: k
[14:21] Barillo Kohnke: mmh...I was thinking about campaigns, or mobilizations. But also monitor the presence of offensive nazi actions, as we've seen in the past
[14:21] Plot Tracer: ok
[14:22] Palmindan Whybrow: yeah totally agree on the anti nazi stuff
[14:22] Plot Tracer: Is anyopne here involved in rl left organisations?
[14:22] Forelle Broek raises his hand
[14:22] Palmindan Whybrow: yup i'm in respect renewal but mainly active in single issue campaigns like stop the war and the venezuela information centre
[14:23] Palmindan Whybrow: i tend to think its those worldwide issues that are good for SL activity
[14:23] Barillo Kohnke: yes plot, in the rl I'm active...in a left organization and in a union
[14:23] Forelle Broek: I work with the IWW on super-secret labor organizing in the deep underbelly of America
[14:24] Plot Tracer: cool, pal. I am in the Scottish Socialist Party and am also active in my union and with Cuba solidarity, cnd, IWW and WDM to lesser degrees.
[14:24] Forelle Broek: (of, kidding about the super-secret part)
[14:24] Palmindan Whybrow: good stuff
[14:24] Plot Tracer: lionon?
[14:24] lionon Babii: yes
[14:24] Plot Tracer: theevil?
[14:25] TheEvil Chemistry: idk
[14:25] Plot Tracer: are either of u active in rl?
[14:25] TheEvil Chemistry: I forget why I'm even in this group, but I was bored and this was going on, so I came
[14:25] Ledoof Constantineau: lol
[14:25] Palmindan Whybrow: haha
[14:25] Plot Tracer: ok. thanks theevil
[14:25] TheEvil Chemistry: np
[14:25] Eln Alter: POOOOOOOOKEMON! >:O
[14:26] Plot Tracer: eln - are u active irl?
[14:26] Eln Alter: yes
[14:29] Palmindan Whybrow: okay so i'm quite interested in the different areas we can achieve unity
[14:29] Palmindan Whybrow: i think my main interest is in anti-imperialist work
[14:29] Barillo Kohnke: so Plot, what about the first point ? what is the scope of this renewed sllu ? which main goals to reach ?
[14:29] Plot Tracer: OK. I called this meeting for a number of reasons, one was to ascertain if SLLU is needed. I have invested - financially - heavily in this group, and have felt this financial undertaking has become less needed. During our fight against the Front National, SLLU was essential. It has, in my opinion, become less so as time has gone on, as it is quite obvious that only a few people make up the active membership. As i said I am not a leader. I would like to give this group over to the membership to decide what to do with.
SLLU is not an operating group at the moment - and wont be until members take control of it.
So - the remit must be decided by members - and then carried out by members.
[14:31] Palmindan Whybrow: but also being a left group we can achieve unity on economic issues
[14:31] Palmindan Whybrow: yeah i agree plot its all about what people are wanting to do
[14:32] Plot Tracer: it cannot exist if members are waiting from the next edict from Plot or Higs or eremia.
[14:33] Ledoof Constantineau: i think there's scope for sllu being all of the things you outlined in the agenda
[14:33] Palmindan Whybrow: yeah
[14:33] Ledoof Constantineau: it's always easier when there's a cause of sorts to organise activism around
[14:33] Barillo Kohnke: yes, I agree
[14:33] Ledoof Constantineau: maybe that's partly why it's been quieter of late. it's great that everyone is here, shows there's an appetite for.. something.. lefty :)
[14:34] Palmindan Whybrow: absolutely
[14:34] Plot Tracer: SLLU has been quiet of late because I have been offline and Higs has left and eremia is on holiday...
[14:34] Forelle Broek: So one possibility might be that SLLU has an ongoing existence more as a network, with activity as specific things arise?
[14:35] Plot Tracer: SLLU has become a bit of an empty vessel - not many others stepping forward with issues - and lets face it in todays world there are many...
[14:35] Ledoof Constantineau: absolutely. maybe the first thing is getting people together- getting a chance to talk- get the group energised- see what we're all passionate about- interested in, in rl
[14:36] Bruce Radek: I'm new to this.What is the paper membership?
[14:36] Plot Tracer: The paper membership is over 300 - but quite a few of those were recruited during the fight against the FN - and for a lot of people this was their only reason to be in sl.
[14:36] Barillo Kohnke: sorry plot to hear that... the participation is a problem for many good groups. But if you promote good actions, and you stimulate a good discussion, people will understand the importance to be here and to be part of a big common goal
[14:37] Plot Tracer: but barillo - there is the rub. you said, "you promote".
[14:37] Barillo Kohnke: we
[14:37] Plot Tracer: SLLU is a LEFT UNITY group. not my group.
[14:37] Palmindan Whybrow: i think i'd be very happy if what i got out of this was a connection with people who were either doing or interested in doing similar work to me, and starting a discussion about the best ways of organising and on the issues around those areas of work
[14:37] Palmindan Whybrow: especially in other parts of the world
[14:38] Plot Tracer: The only way for a left unity group to work is if people are as Ledoof says, getting together to share their thoughts etc.
[14:38] Ledoof Constantineau: yeah pal, i think that's a great way to start
[14:38] Palmindan Whybrow: so i guess i'd like to work towards that goal and work out what can be done in SL to attract those people
[14:38] Ledoof Constantineau: and good just in itself in getting a chance to communicate with others with similar interests
[14:38] Palmindan Whybrow: absolutely
[14:38] Plot Tracer: good pal. I agree.
[14:39] Bruce Radek: I agree with Ledoof - just communicating and discussion is also userful
[14:39] Plot Tracer: But can i say - if people want these things to happen, they must lead from the front. SLLU should be a group of leaders - not one of passivity.
[14:39] Ledoof Constantineau: people being here is a great start
[14:40] Barillo Kohnke: with strong connections with rl initiatives, to attract more people
[14:40] Bruce Radek: What does that involve in practice, Plot?
[14:41] Plot Tracer: in practise, Bruce, it would mean SLLU moving to a more struictured organisation - that is at least, meetings were people propose actions / discussions etc and then following them through.
[14:40] Forelle Broek: I think to accomplish that, we'd need some kind of organizational structure
[14:40] Ledoof Constantineau: can i ask, and this is maybe a question for later, what sort of things people are up to in rl on the activism front. or what people's interests are
[14:40] Plot Tracer: it is good to see so many people, but at every meeting we call we get a good turn out... a lot of talk about what should happen and then silence until a meeting is called to talk about the same things.
[14:42] Palmindan Whybrow: yeah its the proposing of actions i'm looking forward to
[14:42] Forelle Broek: The problem, as Plot points out, is that between meetings, responsibility for group activity falls between the cracks, and we only meet again because Plot has been willing to take the initiative
[14:42] Forelle Broek: But it isn't fair to Plot, nor a good idea in principle, to operate that way
[14:44] Plot Tracer: ok - so forelle - what do you think we can do?
[14:44] Shrimpney Poultry is Online
[14:44] lionon Babii: stop the money system
[14:45] Plot Tracer: the sllu money system?
[14:45] Forelle Broek: Well, at a minimum, we need enough structure so that there is a way to distribute responsibility for the mundane aspects of keeping the group going
[14:45] Plot Tracer: yes
[14:45] Plot Tracer: if the group is needed.
[14:45] Forelle Broek: I suppose there are various ways -- an elected steering committee, a rotating system, or something else
[14:46] Plot Tracer: we have rotated and we have been adhoc
[14:46] Forelle Broek: well right -- that's the larger question -- do we need a persistent ongoing group
[14:46] Plot Tracer: the only thing we haven’t had is an elected group [nb – not quite true – we have elected members at meetings to carry out certain tasks]
[14:47] Ledoof Constantineau: it's going to be quite difficult for folks to elect people they don't really know
[14:47] Ledoof Constantineau: speaking for myself anyway
[14:47] Ledoof Constantineau: i don't know that many folks in sllu
[14:47] Forelle Broek: yes, I agree with Ledoof
[14:47] Palmindan Whybrow: i tend to think its better to work out what we want to do first, then work out how to do it
[14:47] Plot Tracer: well I personally think if people volunteer that is good enough for me.
[14:47] Forelle Broek: especially in a group like this, where the scope of "membership" is so ambiguous
[14:47] Plot Tracer: y
[14:48] Plot Tracer: ok. can i make a suggestion?
[14:48] Forelle Broek: sure
[14:48] Forelle Broek: (not that my permission is needed)
[14:49] Plot Tracer: ok - we move to the next parts of the agenda and then set a date/time for another meeting and we think about what has been said during this part of the agenda and come back with ideas?
[14:49] Palmindan Whybrow: yes!
[14:49] Palmindan Whybrow: totally agree
[14:49] Forelle Broek: sure
[14:50] Bruce Radek: But don't leave it too long.
[14:50] TheEvil Chemistry: aight dawg
[14:50] Plot Tracer: Can I ask someone else to take responsibility for organising the next meeting?
[14:50] Imper Fegte: I think the current crisis will suggest both action and organization
[14:51] Plot Tracer: would anyone like to volunteer?
[14:51] TheEvil Chemistry: I'll do the one after this next one.
[14:51] Forelle Broek hears crickets
[14:51] Palmindan Whybrow: i'm happy to do it in conjunction with someone who has been to a few before
[14:52] Plot Tracer: OK Pal - I'll help out with a view that I completely take a backseat next time.
[14:52] Palmindan Whybrow: sure thing
[14:52] Plot Tracer: ok - will we move to number two on the agenda?
[14:53] Plot Tracer: finance committee.
[14:53] Plot Tracer: SLLU has over 100000$L
[14:53] TheEvil Chemistry: That's over nine thousand.
[14:53] lionon Babii: wowwwwwww
[14:53] Palmindan Whybrow counts the 0s carefully
[14:54] Forelle Broek: I move we donate it all to help save the financial markets
[14:54] Plot Tracer: it has real costs for me -I pay about 15 dollars a month all in.
[14:54] Imper Fegte: lol
[14:54] TheEvil Chemistry: not it ALL
[14:54] TheEvil Chemistry: I mean, COME ON
[14:54] Plot Tracer: lets not flood the market with lindens please.
[14:54] Plot Tracer: that would cause hyper inflation...
[14:54] lionon Babii: hihni
[14:54] TheEvil Chemistry: The most I've ever had was 40000.
[14:55] Forelle Broek: Plot, can you just review what the expenses are, since not everyone here has been part of that conversation in the past?
[14:55] Plot Tracer: 6 1/2 pence is a lot of money here..
[14:55] Plot Tracer: ok
[14:55] Plot Tracer: can i report that to a finance committee and that means the finance committee can come to the next meeting with a run down?
[14:56] Forelle Broek: that sounds like a good idea
[14:56] Forelle Broek: And I'm even willing to serve on the finance cttee, as long as someone who can actually do maths also joins
[14:56] Plot Tracer: ok - who would like to be part of a finance group? - see agenda for remit (which can be altered if people want of course)
[14:57] Plot Tracer: i am willing to be on the finance committee.
[14:58] Plot Tracer: ok - it looks like u and i forelle. lets set up a time when u and i can get together and then we can report back to the next meeting.
[14:58] Plot Tracer: [AGENDA] number 3. and i think perhaps one of the most important things on the agenda. the SLLU Radical feminist discussion group
[14:59] Plot Tracer: Ledoof - would u like to take this bit?
[14:59] Ledoof Constantineau: first thing, and maybe the only thing on it for it tonight, is to check out if anyone is interested in participating
[15:00] TheEvil Chemistry: I am kinda
[15:00] Forelle Broek: I am
[15:00] Plot Tracer: any1 gynoid has said she would
[15:00] Plot Tracer: i would certainly like to help
[15:00] Plot Tracer: eremia has also emailed me to say she is interested
[15:00] Bruce Radek: say a bit more about it, Ledoof
[15:01] Bruce Radek: What will it discuss?
[15:01] Palmindan Whybrow: its something i very much support and think is necessary but also believe in womens' self organisation
[15:01] Ledoof Constantineau: there is no set agenda-this has come from brief discussion a few days ago- after plot had a tour of some of the places in sl
[15:02] Palmindan Whybrow: but if women are taking a lead role i'd be happy to help however i can
[15:02] Ledoof Constantineau: i guess the main thing initially is to see who's interested and then we can shape an agenda from there
[15:02] Ledoof Constantineau: that's great pal- and the others who've declared an interest
[15:03] Plot Tracer: to be fair it has to be noted that Ledoof has done a lot of work in the past in sl on the abuse of women on sl... and she has been involved in white ribbon.
[15:03] Ledoof Constantineau: i know that doesn't answer your question bruce- but i don't want to dicate what the content would be- it'd be great to folks together and see where they'd like to take it
[15:03] Bruce Radek: Ok. I'll wait to see
[15:04] Plot Tracer: ok - ledoof - can u set up a meeting and then send out a notice or two when u are ready to go ahead with it?
[15:04] Ledoof Constantineau: sure i'll do that
[15:04] maio1234567890maio Porta: I must to go
[15:04] Plot Tracer: cool.
[15:04] Plot Tracer: ok maio... thanks for coming comrade
[15:04] lionon Babii: me too
[15:04] Plot Tracer: see you lionon
[15:04] Barillo Kohnke: I will you tell tomorrow
[15:04] lionon Babii: its midnight over here
[15:04] Barillo Kohnke: ciao maio, thank you for coming
[15:05] maio1234567890maio Porta: the next meeting
[15:05] Plot Tracer: ok - np... nearly time for bed over here as well!
[15:05] maio1234567890maio Porta: well
[15:05] lionon Babii: meetings should be earlier
[15:05] Barillo Kohnke: right :-)
[15:06] maio1234567890maio Porta is Online
[15:06] Plot Tracer: lionon - we have people from across the atlantic and some members from australia as well who we try to accomodate...lol
[15:06] Palmindan Whybrow: thanks maio :)
[15:06] Ledoof Constantineau: maybe we should go for number 5 first..
[15:06] lionon Babii: oh another pl
[15:06] Plot Tracer: the next part of the agenda is 4 Proposed future discussion on the current world Capitalist financial crisis
[15:07] lionon Babii: thats good
[15:07] Plot Tracer: ill be quick on this -it takes a decision... thats all
[15:07] Barillo Kohnke: wow ! I like very much this crisis
[15:07] Plot Tracer: it has been suggested by a member that we have a discussion/event on the crisis.
[15:09] Barillo Kohnke: too much money are coming from the american gov, so from the people, to save banks from their errors..it's incredible...
[15:09] lionon Babii: that is criminal
[15:10] Plot Tracer: keks would perhaps lead this discussion. the first suggested reading comes from her rl political group. the second comes from my rl political group. can we ok this and then keks will set it up?
[15:10] Ledoof Constantineau: sounds good
[15:10] Bruce Radek: Ok
[15:10] Palmindan Whybrow: um
[15:10] Barillo Kohnke: like the money spent for the wars... they can solve many problems in this world, but they prefer to use their bloody money to keep their power...
[15:10] Plot Tracer: pal?
[15:11] Palmindan Whybrow: i might have an issue with suggested reading
[15:11] Barillo Kohnke: sorry, i'm very angry on this point
[15:11] Palmindan Whybrow: maybe we could leave it open for people to suggest reading
[15:11] Plot Tracer: ok - it is only a suggestion lol - but what is your issue with the reading pal
[15:11] Palmindan Whybrow: rather than have an official suggested reading
[15:11] Bruce Radek: Yes - that's best.
[15:11] Palmindan Whybrow: and publicise whatever is suggested
[15:12] maio1234567890maio Porta is Offline
[15:12] Palmindan Whybrow: does that sound alright?
[15:12] Plot Tracer: yes. it was not meant as official reading - more an intro for people not familiar with some of the issues is all. but all suggestions would be welcome
[15:12] Plot Tracer: ok - will i ask keks to set that up?
[15:12] Palmindan Whybrow: absolutely
[15:13] Plot Tracer: barillo - would you also use your channels to advertise this - and the feminist network?
[15:13] Barillo Kohnke: sure
[15:13] Plot Tracer: cool
[15:14] Plot Tracer: can we go to number 5 - Future SLLU exhibitions and educational spaces.
[15:15] Plot Tracer: we have had a huge number of these in the past.
[15:15] Plot Tracer: with varying success.
[15:15] Ripscratch Zanzibar: looks like you guys are organised
[15:15] Plot Tracer: "you guys" - are you not part of this, rip?
[15:16] Ripscratch Zanzibar: i don't know, am i?
[15:16] Plot Tracer: the only way the sllu can organise is if lots of people get together and "do"
[15:16] Ledoof Constantineau: you're in rip ;)
[15:16] Ledoof Constantineau: (if you want to be)
[15:16] Ripscratch Zanzibar: are you trying to create a free and fair society?
[15:17] Plot Tracer: we are a left unity group made up of members who I would say on the whole are trying to do that
[15:17] Ripscratch Zanzibar: okay, i'll join
[15:17] Ripscratch Zanzibar: =]
[15:18] Plot Tracer: ok - sorry - rl issues. i have to go. can someone else do the last part of the meeting and then send me the chatlog?
[15:18] Palmindan Whybrow: i can convene for sure if there are people to talk about the bits of the agenda i dont know about
[15:19] Barillo Kohnke: I'd like to present you a global campaign that we are going to launch in the next days
[15:19] Plot Tracer: thankis pal
[15:19] Palmindan Whybrow: np
[15:20] Ripscratch Zanzibar: no worries
[15:20] Palmindan Whybrow: is this an idea for a space Barillo?
[15:20] Barillo Kohnke: see www.wddw.org
[15:20] Barillo Kohnke: ehehe no
[15:20] Plot Tracer: please pass me on the chatlog - i am interested in being on the ents committee btw and i would like to help ledoof with a space that highlights the patriarchal abuse of women in sl. ok bye!
[15:20] Barillo Kohnke: we need support to organize a big event on union island, on 7th of october 2008
[15:21] Ledoof Constantineau: bye plot :)
[15:21] Ripscratch Zanzibar: bye, take care of yourself
[15:21] Ledoof Constantineau: hope all is ok
[15:21] Palmindan Whybrow: ta ra plot :)
[15:21] Plot Tracer is Offline
[15:21] Palmindan Whybrow: okay well i'm happy to take this as any other business and discuss now if everyone agrees
[15:22] Palmindan Whybrow: then we can go on to spaces
[15:22] Palmindan Whybrow: that looks briliant Barillo
[15:22] Ledoof Constantineau: it does!
[15:23] Barillo Kohnke: eh ?
[15:23] Palmindan Whybrow: so will you be having meetings to organise around this on SL?
[15:23] Ledoof Constantineau: the site you gave us to look at barillo
[15:23] Ledoof Constantineau: world day for decent work
[15:23] Barillo Kohnke: yes
[15:24] Palmindan Whybrow: i'll paste the english in for those that missed the link
[15:24] Palmindan Whybrow: On October 7 2008 the trade union movement is organising a World Day for Decent Work. This is an unparalleled opportunity for trade unions and organisations interested in Decent Work all around the world to join a broad global mobilisation involving a large number of people and a wide range of activities. A successful day will focus attention on the urgent need for a new globalisation. Palmindan Whybrow’re welcome to join in!
[15:25] Smoke Wijaya nods .. UNIglobalunion also contacted me about that....
[15:25] Ledoof Constantineau: what are the planned activities for this barillo? anything in sl?
[15:25] Barillo Kohnke: yes
[15:26] Barillo Kohnke: We will be wearing sandwich banners on our avatars and passing on note
cards in Second Life on October 7th.
Could you help join us and spread the word?
Meet us in SL, on Union Island, October 1st from 10 AM to 12 AM SLT – SL
Time (6-7 PM London UK time)
or October 2nd from 5 AM to 7 AM SLT (1-3 PM London UK time)
…so we can give you the equipment!
*************************************
And join us then, October 7th from 6 AM to 8 AM SLT (2-4 PM London UK time)
to meet on Union Island and then head off to distribute note cards
everywhere!
More information? Contact “UNIglobalunion Oh” in SL or check
http://www.uniglobalunion.org/wddw
[15:27] Barillo Kohnke: Half of the world’s 2.8 billion
workers live on less than 2 USD a day. People should have the right to
bargain for wages and working conditions!
[15:27] Smoke Wijaya: I did wonder about the distribution of notecards "everywhere" .. lol .. don't you think that will costs some suspensions for spamming?
[15:27] Barillo Kohnke: might be... :-)
[15:28] Barillo Kohnke: but our goal is to spread the information and involve people for a real life impact
[15:28] Smoke Wijaya: yeah, I understand
[15:29] Smoke Wijaya: just wondering about the negative feelings these drama queens in SL can cause, negative towards the effort....
[15:29] Barillo Kohnke: I hope that sllu friends can support this campaign and help the organization...
[15:29] Smoke Wijaya: I will...
[15:29] Palmindan Whybrow: is there an SL group related to this?
[15:30] Palmindan Whybrow: or is it all done through UNIglobalunion?
[15:30] Smoke Wijaya: I did not think so...yes, the latter
[15:30] Palmindan Whybrow: ah okay
[15:30] Smoke Wijaya: "More information? Contact “UNIglobalunion Oh” in SL or check www.uniglobalunion.org/wddw"
[15:31] Barillo Kohnke: mmmh.... the group unions 2.0 is involved
[15:31] Palmindan Whybrow: excellent
[15:31] Smoke Wijaya: ah, my excuses Barillo
[15:31] Palmindan Whybrow: well in that case a short discussion on how we can support this i think would be good
[15:31] Barillo Kohnke: but the main organization, I think, is coming from uni...but if you see there are many countries and organization involved
[15:31] Palmindan Whybrow: great
[15:32] Smoke Wijaya: need to go .. will keep track of this on website also .. bye
[15:32] Barillo Kohnke: thanks
[15:32] Palmindan Whybrow: would anyone be willing to take responsibility for the work SLLU does to support this?
[15:32] Palmindan Whybrow: or at least coordinate the members who want to do something
[15:33] Barillo Kohnke: let me know you interest. we will meet again in more specifically meeting in sl
[15:34] Barillo Kohnke: we will coordinate the activities from union island
[15:34] Ledoof Constantineau: could people who are interested maybe contact barillo? if he is involved in co-ordinating already
[15:34] Palmindan Whybrow: yes in that case i would recommend IMing Barillo and he will keep a note and let you know what is happening - does that sound okay?
[15:34] Barillo Kohnke: yes, thanks
[15:34] Palmindan Whybrow: yes Ledoof!
[15:34] Ledoof Constantineau: sounds grand
[15:34] Bruce Radek: I will take part.
[15:34] Barillo Kohnke: next meetings: October 1st from 10 AM to 12 AM SLT – SL
Time (6-7 PM London UK time)
or October 2nd from 5 AM to 7 AM SLT (1-3 PM London UK time)
[15:34] Ledoof Constantineau: i'd like to be involved barillo
[15:34] Barillo Kohnke: thanks Pal
[15:34] Barillo Kohnke: ok led ! great
[15:35] Palmindan Whybrow: next up is the discussion on spaces
[15:35] Barillo Kohnke: and thanks for the interesting discussion
[15:36] Palmindan Whybrow: okay Ledoof there's the space on the abusive promotion' of women
[15:37] Palmindan Whybrow: yeah
[15:37] Palmindan Whybrow: its just spaces and ents left
[15:37] Palmindan Whybrow: and i guess date of next meeting
[15:37] Ledoof Constantineau: yeah
[15:37] Palmindan Whybrow: its a shame most ppl have left it was quite a long agenda
[15:38] Imper Fegte: Is Plot stepping away from SLLU?
[15:38] Palmindan Whybrow: i'm thinking either we could postpone the rest til the next meeting
[15:38] Ledoof Constantineau: i don't think so, i think the idea is to spread the responsibility out a bit
[15:38] Ledoof Constantineau: that's fine by me palmindan
[15:38] Ledoof Constantineau: what do you reckon imper?
[15:39] Imper Fegte: I've been away for a few months
[15:39] Imper Fegte: things seem different
[15:39] Ledoof Constantineau: not much has been happening for a few months
[15:39] Palmindan Whybrow: okay well shall we note that Plot was willing to be part of Ents comittee
[15:39] Ledoof Constantineau: some people have left or are less involved i think
[15:39] Palmindan Whybrow: and i'd like to be involved with that too
[15:40] Ledoof Constantineau: ok pal
[15:40] Palmindan Whybrow: and perhaps the space on women can be part of the general discussion on radical feminism?
[15:41] Palmindan Whybrow: that okay?
[15:41] Ledoof Constantineau: could be. i think spaces might need to be agreed by the wider group too though. not sure
[15:41] Palmindan Whybrow: okay well maybe that group can make proposals for the next meeting?
[15:41] Ledoof Constantineau: hopefully be able to get people together
[15:42] Ledoof Constantineau: who took on to organise the next meeting?
[15:42] Palmindan Whybrow: that would be me with help from plot
[15:42] Palmindan Whybrow: so i'm happy to talk to him about setting a date and organising the agenda
[15:42] Ledoof Constantineau: cool
[15:42] Ledoof Constantineau: thanks palmindan
[15:42] Palmindan Whybrow: and shall we call the meeting close there?
[15:43] Palmindan Whybrow: closed even
[15:43] Ledoof Constantineau: anything else you wanted to raise imper?
[15:43] Imper Fegte: No, nice meeting you folks
[15:43] Ledoof Constantineau: yeah you too :)
[15:43] Palmindan Whybrow: you to imper :)
[15:43] Ledoof Constantineau: hopefully this is sllu restarting
[15:43] Imper Fegte: good time for it.
[15:43] Ledoof Constantineau: defo
[15:44] Palmindan Whybrow: yeah i hope so too
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Wednesday, 24 September 2008
Final Agenda
For more details, please contact Plot Tracer inworld, or email plottracer@googlemail.com
Agenda Thursday 25 September 2PM PDT (10pm GMT)
1 15 minute discussion on Second Life Left Unity
Suggested discussion notes:
(i) Is a left unity group needed on SL? Why?
(ii)Should a left unity group be (a) a hub for different sects/shades/opinions of leftism to unite on mutual interests? (b) an educational group (c ) a group used to publicise other left activity (d) all of the above? (e) other ideas
Rest of Agenda.
2 Finance committee – elect a finance committee from the meeting (and others who express interest who cannot attend) – remit – to discuss the finances/ the upkeep of SLLU buildings etc. and report back to a future meeting on findings and present a roadmap for use of funds/ fund raising etc.
3 SLLU RADICAL FEMINIST DISCUSSION GROUP - Ledoof Constantineau
4 Proposed future discussion on the current world Capitalist financial crisis – Suggested reading –
Excellent book on the crisis - http://www.fifthinternational.org/
Excellent analysis from Raphie De Santos. In these articles, Raphie predicts the fall of HBOS - and warns about other banks.
Raphie was head of Equity Derivatives Research and Strategy at Goldman Sachs International. He was an advisor on derivatives and financial markets to the Bank of England, London Stock Exchange, London International Financial Futures and Options Exchange and the Italian Ministry of Finance.
Raphie has been a guest lecturer on derivatives and financial markets at Harvard and New York universities and the London School of Economics and has spoken at the annual Nobel Foundation conference in Stockholm.
http://tinyurl.com/5x9z6b
5 Future SLLU exhibitions and educational spaces.
Suggested spaces – (a) a space that highlights the patriarchal abusive “promotion” of women on SL (b) educational spaces ( c) the SLLU freebie shop
People suggesting anything that is ok'ed by the meeting need to lead a group in exploring and setting up these exhibitions/ spaces. There is space on the hub – and some donated land from various members that can be linked to the hub.
6 Entertainment nights – suggestions – (a) a blues night (RG) (b) a regular “nightclub” ran by Mike Mission (c ) a regular chillout night (Wildo Hofmann) (d) other suggestions
Ents committee?
Correspondence: Hi Plot, I was requested to bring to SLLU an important campaign... it's called WDDW (World Day for Decent Work).
A support from all of the SLLU friends can be vey important on that day from
3:30 to 5:00 pm Swiss-Italian time on Union Island. We'll have t-shirts for
all and note cards to distribute!
Let me know, (Barillo Kohnke)
AOCB
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Monday, 22 September 2008
DRAFT AGENDA (will be finalised on Wednesday)
Anyone with other suggestions for the agenda, please contact Plot Tracer inworld, or email plottracer@googlemail.com
Thanks to all who have contributed so far.
The Agenda will be finalised on Wednesday night, as will the time.
Agenda -suggested time - Thursday 25 September 2PM PDT (10pm GMT)
1 15 minute discussion on Second Life Left Unity
Suggested discussion notes:
(i) Is a left unity group needed on SL? Why?
(ii)Should a left unity group be (a) a hub for different sects/shades/opinions of leftism to unite on mutual interests? (b) an educational group (c ) a group used to publicise other left activity (d) all of the above? (e) other ideas
Rest of Agenda.
2 Finance committee – elect a finance committee from the meeting (and others who express interest who cannot attend) – remit – to discuss the finances/ the upkeep of SLLU buildings etc. and report back to a future meeting on findings and present a roadmap for use of funds/ fund raising etc.
3 SLLU RADICAL FEMINIST DISCUSSION GROUP - Ledoof Constantineau
4 Proposed future discussion on the current world Capitalist financial crisis – Suggested reading –
Excellent book on the crisis - http://www.fifthinternational.org/
Excellent analysis from Raphie De Santos. In these articles, Raphie predicts the fall of HBOS - and warns about other banks.
Raphie was head of Equity Derivatives Research and Strategy at Goldman Sachs International. He was an advisor on derivatives and financial markets to the Bank of England, London Stock Exchange, London International Financial Futures and Options Exchange and the Italian Ministry of Finance.
Raphie has been a guest lecturer on derivatives and financial markets at Harvard and New York universities and the London School of Economics and has spoken at the annual Nobel Foundation conference in Stockholm.
http://tinyurl.com/5x9z6b
5 Future SLLU exhibitions and educational spaces.
Suggested spaces – (a) a space that highlights the patriarchal abusive “promotion” of women on SL (b) educational spaces ( c) the SLLU freebie shop
People suggesting anything that is ok'ed by the meeting need to lead a group in exploring and setting up these exhibitions/ spaces. There is space on the hub – and some donated land from various members that can be linked to the hub.
6 Entertainment nights – suggestions – (a) a blues night (RG) (b) a regular “nightclub” ran by Mike Mission (c ) a regular chillout night (Wildo Hofmann) (d) other suggestions
Ents committee?
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Re-igniting the Left Unity project in SL
The group SL Left Unity are meeting this week to discuss a reignition of the Left Unity idea in SL - anyone interested in this kind of project are welcome. The meeting will be on Thursday or Friday - day and time to be decided (depending on response).
Contact me inworld (Plot Tracer) and let me know if you would like to attend. If you are not a member of SL Left Unity, search in groups and join, or check out the web page www.slleftunity.com. Topics discussed will include setting up a Freirien educational experience in SL (info on Freire here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire )
Finalised details and agenda will be published on Tuesday 23 September.
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Monday, 11 August 2008
JOIN SLLU!

SLLU is a group in Second Life. It was set up by people concerned with social justice issues and who also recognise the unique educational aspect Second Life brings to the internet.
SLLU is a "left unity" group. It comprises of people with allegiances to other left political parties/ pressure groups and of people with no direct allegiance to any. It is a true Left Unity group that holds democratic meetings in Second Life.
We also have music nights as well as educationals.
When "inworld" (inside Second Life) do search for the group "SL Left Unity"
Contact one of our group members - Eremia Woodbury; Plot Tracer; Forelle Broek and ask for details on how you can get involved!
SLURL to Unity Station, designed by Tooter Claxton, HERE
SLURL to our FREEBIE SHOP HERE
We also have a Facebook site - HERE

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Tuesday, 5 August 2008
Local Shops 1, Starbucks 0
Shunned Starbucks in Aussie exit
By Phil Mercer BBC News, Sydney
The mighty Starbucks coffee empire has been handed a heavy defeat by thousands of small Australian cafes in the fight for a nation's taste buds.
Not all Starbucks in Australia have failed.
Eight years after it began selling its espressos and frappucinos in Australia, the US giant has succumbed to powerful financial and cultural pressures and has closed 61 of its 85 shops across the country.
Savouring a morning cup of coffee has become a ritual for millions of Australians - yet one that Starbucks failed to capitalise on, in spite of the way the chain had become a global cultural phenomenon during the 1990s.
"It was maybe too standardised," says Michael Edwardson, a consumer psychologist in Melbourne.
"Early on it was unique and different, but as it became a global chain the standardisation made it lose some of that coolness and edginess. It was quickly copied and lost its lustre.”
In America, Starbucks became an icon very early on.
There, it represents this "third place", which is not home and not work, but somewhere to hang out, according to Mr Edwardson.
"Towns would want to have a Starbucks," he says. "Australia was never like that. We were curious about it. We'd read about it. It was something to try.
"But once tried I don't know that it offered a particularly fantastic or unique experience that wasn't offered by other chains.”
In the end, Starbucks' Australian adventure was undermined by countless High Street cafes, each striving to carve out a sustainable niche.
Soon it became clear that the US coffee juggernaut, with its frothy, milky brew, was unable to meet the challenge of the local stores' homespun hospitality and boutique qualities.
"The coffee experience is two things,"" says John Roberts from the University of New South Wales.
"Firstly, it's the product and the taste and secondly the place and the service.
"It's much easier for the local store to differentiate itself as being local whereas Starbucks had this slightly schizophrenic positioning where it wanted to be the global, local store,” he said.
Starbucks management said it is refocusing its business in Australia's three biggest cities; Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.
While the company is blaming underperforming stores, analysts say it expanded its operations in Australia too quickly and accumulated too much debt.
Hence, Starbucks never managed to build solid foundations in a cut-throat trade, according to Barry Urquhart, a retail consultant based in the Western Australian state capital Perth.
"It is a competitive marketplace," he points out.
"The American, Seattle-based coffee of Starbucks was never going to resonate and penetrate Australia's very big coffee drinking community.
"We have the most cosmopolitan society in the world."
With more than 235 ethnicities speaking more than 270 languages and dialects, companies wanting to get ahead in Australia should be aware that they are not dealing with one monolithic block, Mr Urquhart explains.
"You have to recognise that and service differing needs.”
Starbucks may be on the retreat in Australia but marketing experts see a brighter future elsewhere.
"There's no question Starbucks in many ways is an admirable company," says Mr Roberts.
"Starbucks has done very well in international markets where there has not traditionally been a coffee drinking culture," he adds, pointing to how it has done well in Japan and China.
"Starbucks has shown its skill at developing new markets," Mr Roberts says.
And even in Australia, there are those who will miss it when it is gone.
"Starbucks is one of the nicest coffees that I've tried," says British backpacker Gemma Morris.
"It's a stronger taste, which I like. It's a unique experience and it's renowned for being good which is why people love it."
Others though felt somewhat underwhelmed by Starbucks.
"It's okay, but there are privately owned cafes that I'd rather go to," says Peter, 32, who works for a landscape design company in Sydney.
"This whole big chain thing doesn't really do it for me. The coffee's pretty ordinary."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7540480.stm
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Tuesday, 1 July 2008
News from the "reinstate Davide campaign"
PROTEST LETTERS HERE....
http://wetrustdavide.blogspot.com/
IBM WON: THE UNION REMOVED DAVIDE BARILLARI FROM HIS ACTIVITIES.
The IBM italy National workscouncil discussed on 30th of June an "untrust proposal" against Davide Barillari:
"INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS:
IBM Italy national workscouncil revoke the trust to the international unionist relations representative, Davide Barillari, based to the following considerations, which exclude his personal skills that were recognized.
- Initiative of "Second Life" (..)
- Management of communication between EWC and National Workscouncil. (..)
- Management of relations with International Union Organizations (EMF, IMF, UNI) (..)
- Presence in the Select Committee (..)
- Management of EWC agreement renegotiation (..)"
more information and details will follow.
These accusations are not fair and based on wrong interpretations of the facts, without proofs.
the international petition signed by 400 persons (employees representatives, citizens and IBM workers) was not taken in consideration, like many support letters sent by IBM unionists in Europe.
A public reply will follow, and many protest initiatives against this decision sustained and agreed by the FIOM/CGIL officials.
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