SLLU/ SLUNCUT in solidarity actions with British strikers and Greek protestors!

PHOTOS:  Czarny Zsun and Okiku Arbizu

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Day of Protest in Solidarity with British Public Sector Strike Thurs June 30, TOMORROW!

SLUNCUT have called a day of protest in SL for TOMMORROW to stand in solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of public sector workers on strik in Britain. Over 700,000 British public sector workers have voted overwhelmingly to take strike action this Thursday on June 30 in defence of their pensions and jobs. United we stand, we will defeat the cuts!


Plot Tracer will be covering the RL protest in RL Glasgow from 11.30am GMT on Thursday. Follow @slleftunity and @sspcampsie for live updates/ photos. Hash tag #J30

IN SL, solidarity can be shown by meeting at Speakers Corner - SLURL HERE

STOP THE CUTS- MAKE HISTORY ON JUNE 30th(Scottish Socialist Party article HERE )

Over 700,000 British public sector workers have voted overwhelmingly to take strike action this Thursday on June 30 in defence of their jobs and services.

Teachers, public servants, healthcare workers, transport workers, lecturers and council workers will be stopping work to stop the cuts. Public sector unionists have compared the fightback to the 1984 miners' strike, except "this is a strike we are going to win".

SLUNCUT, an anti-cuts activist coalition formed to support real-world movements against austerity, have called a day of protest in SL to stand in solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of public sector workers on strike this week.

"The Tories and their millionaire old boys club want us to pay for the bankers' crisis through vicious attacks on the living standards of working class people. It's time we made the rich pay by building the fightback." SLUNCUT spokesperson Czarny Zsun said.

"We will be aiming for a day-long occupation of the speakers' corner of London Hyde Park to share tweets and news from the RL protests as they unfold and to discuss the way forward for the movement against cuts. We might even meet a few sympathetic passers-by, some of whom may be on strike themselves.

"Wherever you may be in the world, you have a duty to stand shoulder to shoulder with the public sector workers of Britain this Thursday. Their fight is your fight. United we stand, we will defeat these cuts. "


Media contact: Czarny Zsun; Plot Tracer

Free copy of Scottish Socialist Voice HERE

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SLUNCUT!

Come along to the SLUNCUT organising meeting this Saturday to get involved in the global campaign to defend jobs and services against austerity and cutbacks. 

We will be planning for an action around the June 30 Public Sector Strike in Britain, as well events to support the revolts in Greece and Spain. 

Bring your ideas!

Time: 8am, this Saturday Place: The Red Star Bar, 

SLURL: Flagg/205/11/115

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Monday Discussion Chat log 4th April 2011

What can we do in sl AND rl to demonstrate alternatives to austerity measures?

Present: Agnes Sharples; Utsche Kira; Demo Ho; anon; Smily; Lapsus Weinstein; Chelsea Louloudi; Pip Torok;

[06:01] Agnes S. : come on in, have a drink and join the discussion
[06:03] Agnes S. : are you in sl uncut group?
[06:03] Utsche Kira: whats uncut
[06:03] Agnes S. : where are you from Utsche?
[06:04] Utsche Kira: in RL, you mean?
[06:04] Agnes S. : yes:)
[06:04] Utsche Kira: slovenia
[06:04] Utsche Kira: you?

[06:04] Agnes S. : oh cool, one of my best friends in sl are from there
[06:04] Agnes S. : im norwegian
[06:09] Agnes S. : so the discussion today is on the topic of what we can do in sl AND rl to demonstrate alternatives to austerity measures
[06:09] Agnes S. : any thoughts of that?
[06:09] Lapsus Weinstein: very interesting topic
[06:09] Agnes S. : yay! i think it is too

[06:10] Smily: Yes
[06:10] Agnes S. : well, my thoughts about it is to first: talk
[06:10] Lapsus Weinstein: if I don't crash,great lag today

[06:12] Smily: Salaam. Ruz bekheyr. Shoma chetorin?
[06:14] Agnes S. : so, i am interested in your thoughts on how we can fight austerity measures and alternatives to it
[06:14] Agnes S. : are anyone of you in sl uncut group?
[06:14] Smily: Never heard of it
[06:15] Agnes S. : http://www.ukuncut.org.uk/
[06:15] Agnes S. : http://www.usuncut.org/
[06:16] Utsche Kira: what do you mean by alternatives? what should be done by politicians?
[06:17] Demo Ho: and yes in the Netherlands austerity is a big issue
[06:17] Agnes S. : what should be done by politicians, sure, but also how we can affect it
[06:17] Agnes S. : here too
[06:17] Smily: Well, here in the U.S., politicians should pay a bit less attention to lobbyists and pundits

[06:17] Demo Ho: now we have most right wing government ever since the nazis left
[06:17] Agnes S. : i think all over, at least europe and us: because of the finance crisis
[06:18] Lapsus Weinstein: yes worldwide
[06:18] Utsche Kira: well, in slovenia, actually, we have a left government, but it's acting the same as if it would be right
[06:18] Smily: Dang
[06:18] Agnes S. : same here Utsche
[06:18] Demo Ho: fundamentalist capitalism = as we see today taking over, = permament finance crisis imho
[06:18] Lapsus Weinstein: italy too, left is same as right
[06:19] Lapsus Weinstein: mafias and lobbies
[06:19] Agnes S. : yes
[06:19] Smily: corporate-funded think tanks
[06:19] Lapsus Weinstein: micro lobbies too
[06:19] Demo Ho: What countries are you all from?
[06:19] Smily: USA
[06:20] Lapsus Weinstein: they grow in the little towns, in local administrations
[06:20] Agnes S. : we are all in a system
[06:21] Lapsus Weinstein: we live as in the 1600
[06:21] Utsche Kira: so, my thoughts on politicians: they simply shouldn't make cuts on the poor, but take from ultra-rich bastards, but as this seems highly unlikely to happen, the only thing we can do is starting with various direct actions, i would say
[06:21] Lapsus Weinstein: before the light age
[06:22] Agnes S. : and now the working class and the weakest in society have to pay for the rich game of capitalism, caused by the crisis
[06:22] Agnes S. : various actions is good Utsche
[06:23] Demo Ho: Utsche you are in Slovenia?
[06:23] Utsche Kira: yes
[06:23] Agnes S. : what can you do in your community?

[06:23] Demo Ho: cool
[06:23] Lapsus Weinstein: a dangerous game, they act like dinosaurs
[06:23] Smily: Damned if I know
[06:23] Lapsus Weinstein: they'll eat one each other
[06:24] Lapsus Weinstein: uk ppl should be expert
[06:24] Lapsus Weinstein: it's like at the robi hood time
[06:24] Demo Ho: Lapsus: Where are you from?
[06:24] Agnes S. : i think awareness and education is a keyword here:)
[06:24] Lapsus Weinstein: Italy, near Milano, north
[06:25] Demo Ho: great global meeting!
[06:25] Agnes S. : indeed
[06:25] Agnes S. : no Italy is really corrupt
[06:25] Lapsus Weinstein: we have the most fascist political class

[06:25] Agnes S. : terrible
[06:25] Lapsus Weinstein: after the true fascism
[06:25] Lapsus Weinstein: in the richest side of the country
[06:26] Demo Ho: (note: i avoid the word INTERNATIONAL, it implies to recognize the concept of nations) :)

[06:26] Demo Ho: i mean it is cool we are from all over
[06:26] Lapsus Weinstein: agree
[06:26] Agnes S. : yes: diversity is good
[06:27] Demo Ho: So here people dealing directly with the nations Norway, US, Netherlands, Italy, Slovenia
[06:27] Agnes S. : and SL:P

[06:27] Demo Ho: haha
[06:27] Agnes S. : uniting us
[06:27] Demo Ho: SL is not a nation, it is a product
[06:27] Lapsus Weinstein: and with actual war, africa
[06:27] Agnes S. : which is great
[06:28] Demo Ho: But in the globalized world, products can become more powerfull then nations
[06:28] Lapsus Weinstein: they actually are
[06:28] Agnes S. : i think they allready are
[06:28] Demo Ho: SL probably has the financial turnover of a small third worlds country: and Facebook probably has the financial turnover of a small first world country...
[06:29] Pip Torok: SL is a profitable enterprise for LL and a collective delusion for the rest of us

[06:29] Demo Ho: hehe delusion
[06:30] Agnes S. : well, a little off topic, but yeah, then again, if we are smart we get the best out of sl :)
[06:30] Smily: ^^

[06:30] Pip Torok: but it does ground us into who we really are imnsho
[06:30] Lapsus Weinstein: I agree
[06:30] Demo Ho: yes if SL was a country, it is a financially successful enlightened dictatorship ;)
[06:31] Utsche Kira: so it is pretty much the same as RL
[06:31] Pip Torok: with the exception of CDS bte!

[06:31] Smily: Like Iran under Reza Shah?
[06:31] Pip Torok: CDS is SL's oldest democracy
[06:31] Pip Torok: no!
[06:31] Agnes S. : CDS?
[06:31] Demo Ho: well SL also had Austerity from LL
[06:31] Pip Torok: Confederation of Democratic Sims
[06:31] Agnes S. : ah ty
[06:32] Demo Ho: like non profit organisations don’t get a discount anymore for sim tier
[06:32] Pip Torok: yup ... there are 5 sims in it
[06:32] Demo Ho: DRPG? ( Democracy Role Play Gaming) in SL? ;)
[06:32] Pip Torok: but i agree .. its off topic
[06:33] Pip Torok: except were augmentalist not roleplaying
[06:33] Lapsus Weinstein: well it could be an interesting game
[06:33] Pip Torok: we govern ourselves and make the decisions redatring our sims
[06:33] Agnes Sharple: My suggestion to the protests is to engage in such local policies, use twitter, SL and other social media for all it's worth
[06:33] Lapsus Weinstein: we pay for LL service, so we can use it as we like
[06:34] Lapsus Weinstein: or better we should be free to do so
[06:34] Pip Torok: quite so Lapsius

[06:34] Pip Torok: ... or MAKE ourselves free
[06:34] Utsche Kira: yeah you pay for service, but the service itself might be limited
[06:35] Agnes S. : well i think that is a great discussion for some other time :): let LL be LL right now
[06:35] Pip Torok gave you Citizen Bill (October 2010) updated.
[06:36] Agnes S. : ty pip
[06:36] Pip Torok: :)

[06:36] Pip Torok: imo we need to see what caused the crunch that forces us to be austere
[06:37] Demo Ho: i havent payed LL one cent ever
[06:37] Lapsus Weinstein: fear, terror
[06:37] Pip Torok: lucky you Demo! :)

[06:37] Demo Ho: nothing lucky, it is a choice
[06:37] Demo Ho: :P
[06:37] Pip Torok: ah ... i understand ...
[06:37] Agnes S. : :)
[06:38] Utsche Kira: do you think some sort of action, say, against austerity in RL, could start in SL, or could SL be used only as a form of coordinating?
[06:38] Pip Torok: i think the latter utsche
[06:38] Chelsea Louloudi: Hi Demo :)
[06:38] Chelsea Louloudi: Hi Utsche :)
[06:38] Lapsus Weinstein: a recent sample was for egypt
[06:38] Agnes S. : i think SL can be used for communication across borders and inspire ppl to engage rl
[06:38] Pip Torok: its a grand means to unite ppl is SL ..
[06:39] Lapsus Weinstein: can we say how sl did work in that situation?
[06:39] Demo Ho: so how does Austerity relate to SL?
[06:39] Lapsus Weinstein: compared with twitter or facebook?
[06:39] Demo Ho: and how can we discuss Austerity, while it is so different practice depending what country you are?

[06:39] Pip Torok: only that SL helps those victims of austerity to combi, and plan
[06:39] Pip Torok: combine

[06:39] Demo Ho: or do we discuss the concept of Austerity
[06:40] Lapsus Weinstein: yes
[06:40] Agnes S. : no, its not different Demo, its the same pretty much all over
[06:40] Lapsus Weinstein: more austerity
[06:40] Lapsus Weinstein: more need to cooperate
[06:40] Pip Torok: suggest we discuss austerity

[06:40] Demo Ho: and can anarchists accept government austerity? :)
[06:40] Pip Torok: no way .. by definition, demo
[06:41] Demo Ho: i disagree Agnes, the USA is VERY different the most European Countries in government funding: so the austerity also is very different

[06:41] Utsche Kira: if anarchist can’t accept government, then it's hard to accept government austerity :)
[06:41] Pip Torok: my guess is that we have this concept of ownership, and ppl owing money to others ...
[06:41] Demo Ho: right Utsche, thats my point
[06:42] Pip Torok: and when there is collectively "too much" "debt" we have the crisis
[06:42] Pip Torok: so ppl become afraid ... and will cling to what they think they own
[06:42] Lapsus Weinstein: it could be possible that also the US idea is an abstraction today
[06:42] Agnes S. : another question would be, are we witnessing the beginning of the end of capitalism
[06:42] Demo Ho: how you mean that Lapsus?
[06:43] Agnes S. : as a system
[06:43] Pip Torok: yes ... another delusion ... believed in by the RL
[06:43] Utsche Kira: i think it's more like capitalism is showing us what it can do
[06:44] Demo Ho: i'm afraid not Agnes, the contrairy: we are witnessing fundementalist capitalism showing its true face more every day, i'm afraid to say
[06:44] Utsche Kira: don’t believe its gonna stop by itself

[06:44] Agnes S. : and who is capitalism?
[06:44] Pip Torok: just wish it wd stop showing us!)
[06:44] Agnes S. : i believe capitalism will in the end stop itself
[06:44] Demo Ho: hmm: how you see that?
[06:45] Pip Torok: it’s very simple : from those who can contribute ... to those in need
[06:45] Agnes Sharple: capitalism as a system stands or falls on its own, it will collapse one day
[06:45] Lapsus Weinstein: so
[06:46] Agnes Sharple: you are free two leavening Whenever you just demo
[06:46] Pip Torok: i wish this meeting wd outlast capitalism ... :9
[06:46] Lapsus Weinstein: sl is a simulator of capitalism

[06:46] Pip Torok: disagree
[06:46] Demo Ho: and then when capitalism collapses, what next? anarchy? ( = not anarchism)
[06:46] Pip Torok: SL is a simulation of our perception of RL
[06:46] Lapsus Weinstein: how Pip?
[06:47] Agnes Sharple: planned economy is an option
[06:47] Utsche Kira: of course it will collapse, but people benefiting the most from it will do the best they can to defend status quo, which is taking as much as they can
[06:47] Pip Torok: well we see a simulacrum of our RL perception through this screen ...

... and call it SL

[06:47] Demo Ho: SL is part of capitalism, that’s why it works so well almost seemless within our western society, with its Linden $ economy
[06:47] Lapsus Weinstein: indeed but
[06:47] Agnes S. : at least nobody is forcing you to be a part of SL:)
[06:48] Lapsus Weinstein: as any other computer software atm
[06:48] Demo Ho: right Agnes
[06:48] Lapsus Weinstein: it's buggy
[06:48] Lapsus Weinstein: more
[06:48] Agnes S. : but you are, from the day you’re born, forced to be a part of our capitalistic system
[06:48] Pip Torok: LL have what they call a "business model" around which SL is designed
[06:48] Lapsus Weinstein: since we live inside it
[06:48] Demo Ho: everything is buggy, first life is buggy too :P

[06:48] Lapsus Weinstein: we can play it with other rules
[06:49] Pip Torok: and being a "business model" it is embedded in capitalism ... of necessity
[06:49] Demo Ho: take it or leave it (iow kill yourself)
[06:49] Demo Ho: ;)
[06:49] Lapsus Weinstein: indeed pip but what I mean is that what do you imagine after the end of capitalism?

[06:49] Demo Ho: yes embedded was the word i was looking for, thanks Pip
[06:50] Agnes Sharple: it's not just about themselves, it is about us as a whole, as human beings, that we should not accept any injustice, even if it does not affect us, it's called solidarity
[06:50] Demo Ho: :)
[06:50] Utsche Kira: :)
[06:50] Pip Torok: the trouble about being embedded in any system is that we cannot imagine what its like when we're outside it
[06:50] Lapsus Weinstein: so we need a simulator too since without it we aren't able to play any game
[06:51] Utsche Kira: thats true, but actually it does affect you too - your tea is cheap cuz its made by someone who doesnt get paid well
[06:51] Pip Torok: for example no-one could have imagined the events in Soviet Russia after 1917]

[06:51] Demo Ho: right Utsche
[06:52] Pip Torok: what we CAN do is to watch those who make decisions _like a hawk_ ...!
[06:52] Lapsus Weinstein: no one can imagine now the world after the beginning of this africa risiko#
[06:53] Pip Torok: and make sure they employ at least some humanity
[06:53] Pip Torok: true Lapsus ... likewise Libya
[06:53] Lapsus Weinstein: and I'm not so sure that US are ready challenging with it : meantime europe is coming back to nationalism

[06:53] Utsche Kira: well, Pip, Mikhail Bakunin actually did say what wa going to happen if they insist on marxist dictature of proletariat :)
[06:53] Pip Torok: now THAT cd be a solution ... the way of the egyptians
[06:54] Agnes S. : :(

[06:54] Lapsus Weinstein: and imperialism
[06:54] Pip Torok: what did he say utsche?
[06:55] Utsche Kira: that it will bring very big shit and rise of one-man dictatorships
[06:55] Pip Torok: very prescient of him!!! :|
[06:55] Utsche Kira: promising utopias if people only sacrifice a bit

[06:55] Lapsus Weinstein: maybe again a german one? : look at germany very carefully
[06:56] Pip Torok: i doubt if it will germany ... another country more likely
[06:56] Lapsus Weinstein: germany and russia
[06:56] Chelsea Louloudi: I was thinking the same....people there won't stand for it
[06:57] Lapsus Weinstein: are standing waiting where the game is going on

[06:57] Utsche Kira: but the same thing that was being promsied by then leftist dictators in now being promised in after-socialists countries - prosperity then if we now sacrifice a little and make some cuts
[06:57] Lapsus Weinstein: that is very curious
[06:57] Lapsus Weinstein: indeed
[06:58] Agnes Sharple: yes, but who is it who have to sacrifice? those who already have little from before!
[06:58] Lapsus Weinstein: Putin and Russia are speaking as if now Russia were still soviet union
[06:58] Pip Torok: its a potent message, Utsche ... and always has been for miserable hopeless and hungry ppl!

[06:58] Utsche Kira: indeed
[06:59] Pip Torok: like a drowning man clutching at straws
[06:59] Agnes S. : and who’s asses are saved in this?
[06:59] Utsche Kira: only the sides have shifted, before left was utopian, now the right is
[06:59] Utsche Kira: rich of course
[06:59] Pip Torok: imo ... "left" and "right" ay become redundant

[06:59] Chelsea Louloudi: SOCIALISED DEBT....PRIVATISED PROFITS
[07:00] Pip Torok: quite, Chelsea!
[07:00] Agnes S. : yes Chelsea
[07:00] Utsche Kira: yes, indeed
[07:00] Lapsus Weinstein: ehe

[07:00] Lapsus Weinstein: but: they are fighting for Africa; and oil is finishing so: the game is near to its end, someway uranium too
[07:01] Pip Torok: mmm I wouldnt hold my breath, Lapsus
[07:01] Utsche Kira: but do you believe that capitalism cant survive whitout oil?
[07:02] Lapsus Weinstein: it could
[07:02] Agnes S. : the oil is about to end, all the values are just paper, being moved back and forth
[07:02] Demo Ho: yes capitalism doesn’t need oil

[07:02] Lapsus Weinstein: indeed Agnes
[07:02] Pip Torok: i think the whole of humanity cannot survive unless we slim down our population
[07:02] Demo Ho: So how Pip?
[07:02] Pip Torok: ... before "nature" slims it down for us
[07:02] Utsche Kira: think so?
[07:02] Lapsus Weinstein: that is a big question
[07:03] Chelsea Louloudi: How would you slim down population?
[07:03] Demo Ho: yes i wonder
[07:03] Pip Torok: yes ... very serious about that
[07:03] Demo Ho: make fucking illegal?

[07:03] Demo Ho: ;)
[07:03] Lapsus Weinstein: it quite simple
[07:03] Utsche Kira: but there are enough resources for everyone, the allocation is not really equalibrical

[07:03] Lapsus Weinstein: no food
[07:03] Pip Torok: every woman bears one surviving child for 5 generations
[07:03] Lapsus Weinstein: no water: aids and so on: warstsunamis
[07:04] Chelsea Louloudi: exactly Utsche....
[07:04] Demo Ho: Pip: and how to impose this?
[07:04] Lapsus Weinstein: earthquakes
[07:04] Pip Torok: wish I knew!
[07:04] Agnes S. : nuclear disasters...
[07:04] Demo Ho: HAARP?
[07:04] Lapsus Weinstein: yes
[07:04] Agnes S. : pollution

[07:04] Chelsea Louloudi: there's plenty of food... that's also being controlled. Food aid is also big business
[07:05] Utsche Kira: if someone buys a main source of water somewhere in, say Kalahari, and then builds a pool around with fences, then for sure people will get thirsty
[07:05] Pip Torok: yes ... but when the population of China have the same eating habits as the "west" ...?

[07:05] Demo Ho: Conspiracy theories state HAARP is being developed to slim down earth population...
[07:05] Utsche Kira: that's another example
[07:05] Lapsus Weinstein: a few ones
[07:06] Chelsea Louloudi: You know, US has the monopoly on shipping food aid....75% has to be shipped in US bottoms...they use this to dump their agricultural surplus
[07:06] Lapsus Weinstein: also if 'a few' means millions
[07:06] Agnes S. : i didnt know that Chelsea! not that it was 75%
[07:07] Pip Torok: to answer you demo ... either we do it, or "nature" does it for us ...
[07:07] Lapsus Weinstein: my question is: since we are in sl
[07:07] Chelsea Louloudi: Agnes...it may be more than 75...I'll find the link sometime about it...huge business

[07:07] Lapsus Weinstein: how is possible
[07:08] Agnes S. : id appreciate that chelsea
[07:08] Lapsus Weinstein: that world governments cannot: control anything
[07:08] Demo Ho: Pip: thats no answer : HOW we do it?
[07:08] Lapsus Weinstein: when they have the best hardware and software simulators of about all the sceneries: so are they using it?

[07:09] Pip Torok: define "we" Demo ... it could be done by wards and famines ... or else the climate-change will ensure there is not enough food ...
[07:09] Utsche Kira: world's governments cannot control, because they are blinded by profit, if even education becomes profit making thing, it's hard to think beyond profit, then
[07:09] Pip Torok: wards=wars
[07:10] Demo Ho: well the CIA does create fake Facebook and Twitter bot profiles for propaganda...

[07:10] Lapsus Weinstein: but for making profit they need software
[07:10] Demo Ho: no joke...
[07:10] Pip Torok: and they see things in the short term Utsche
[07:10] Demo Ho: hehe
[07:10] Lapsus Weinstein: it's the same game I'm curious about
[07:11] Agnes S. : a lot of interesting thoughts here today
[07:11] Lapsus Weinstein: if governments are blind
[07:11] Lapsus Weinstein: ppl controlling the game aren't blind
[07:12] Lapsus Weinstein: who are they?
[07:12] Lapsus Weinstein: and where

[07:12] Utsche Kira: i don't believe there is like a group of 100 people that controls everything
[07:12] Pip Torok: dont agree ... they are _less_ blind but not all-seeing
[07:12] Utsche Kira: it's the idea: ideology that makes people blind
[07:13] Agnes Sharple: before closing, I want you to think about what you can do in both rl and sl, how you can engage and protest against the measures settes underway in many parts of the world

[07:13] Pip Torok: right!
[07:13] Lapsus Weinstein: I mean aren't blind using any computer model for simulating the best profit situation there must be someone: or not?
[07:13] Agnes Sharple: there are some local groups to engage in? protests?
[07:14] Lapsus Weinstein: I'm thinking to Mc Namara
[07:14] Utsche Kira: acting as we are free, where one can, is an option
[07:15] Demo Ho: i think it is VERY important the protests are reported about without lies, like in the media: any protests

[07:15] Utsche Kira: making aware that selling products in SL is only perpetuating the story,
[07:15] Pip Torok: true ... (Pip remembers Maggie in 1984)
[07:15] Agnes Sharple: Internet gives us all an opportunity to reach out to a much greater extent than before, we should use that opportunity
[07:15] Demo Ho: and to think about what to do about corporate media lying or ignoring protests
[07:15] Demo Ho (from english): og å tenke på hva de skal gjøre med corporate media liggende eller ignorere protester

[07:15] Utsche Kira: of course
[07:15] Lapsus Weinstein: agree agnes
[07:16] Demo Ho: ye Agnes, thats why we are here
[07:16] Demo Ho: :)

[07:16] Agnes S. : so, use it for all its worth, id say :)
[07:16] Lapsus Weinstein: we should helping ppl filtering informations, egthe main qeustion is how LL control what we plan: in which measure are we free: expressing our opinions: till now it seems so

[07:17] Demo Ho: how you mean Lapsus?
[07:18] Demo Ho: you are worried LL policies will change freedom of speech within SL?
[07:18] Pip Torok: the answer is very simple Lapsus ...
[07:18] Lapsus Weinstein: and?
[07:18] Pip Torok: LL constrains any sim to be OWNED by one account-holder who pays "tier" to them: and the account-holder can only be one individual ... not a collective: so the basis of any society is compromised from the start
[07:20] Lapsus Weinstein: we saw an example for egypt sim
[07:20] Pip Torok: .. and turns every sim into a ruler and a bunch of ruled people who pay tier to the "ruler"

[07:21] Lapsus Weinstein: in that case LL was on the same line of rebels, CIA, Obama and so on
[07:21] Agnes S. : luckily, unlike rl, nobody is forcing you to stay here :)
[07:21] Demo Ho: Lapsus????
[07:21] Lapsus Weinstein: as Google too
[07:21] Pip Torok: quite so, Lapsus
[07:21] Chelsea Louloudi: :D

[07:22] Demo Ho: well isnt the same issue with domain names?
[07:22] Demo Ho: on the web?
[07:22] Lapsus Weinstein: at least that agnes: it's not a matrix in that sense: but
[07:22] Demo Ho: right Agnes

[07:22] Pip Torok: true Demo ... but then who decides on the names?
[07:22] Pip Torok (from english): sant Demo ... men da som bestemmer rthe navn?
[07:22] Utsche Kira: thanks, Agnes, that was good
[07:22] Utsche Kira (from english): takk, Agnes, det var bra
[07:22] Lapsus Weinstein: it's a matrix if and when you plan to use it
[07:22] Chelsea Louloudi: Food aid link http://www.stwr.org/aid-debt-development/who-does-us-food-aid-benefit.html

[07:23] Lapsus Weinstein: as you proposed in your topic
[07:23] Demo Ho: Pip: you have a point indeed, but isn’t that easily solved by using OpenGrid?
[07:23] Agnes S. : ty chelsea
[07:24] Chelsea Louloudi: yw Agnes

[07:24] Demo Ho: why own property anyway in SL?
[07:24] Demo Ho: why own a sim?
[07:24] Chelsea Louloudi: sorry about my connection issues
[07:24] Demo Ho: in SL?
[07:24] Anon: you can't own property in sl - you rent server space...
[07:24] Agnes S. : no worries chelsea, thats sl :)
[07:25] Demo Ho: well 'own' as in registered tier responsible person

[07:25] Utsche Kira: maybe, then, we should find a way to squat in sl :)
[07:25] Demo Ho: so then i rephrase my question: Why rent in SL?: find a way??: its easy! i squat all the time
[07:25] Anon: become a hobo..

[07:25] Demo Ho: since i joined SL i am squatting: here
[07:25] Anon: the hobos own a sim paid for out of donations
[07:25] Utsche Kira: yeah, but can you create things then?

[07:26] Anon: pretty unique in sl I think
[07:26] Demo Ho: never payed 1L$ for land: yes
[07:26] Agnes S. : like sl left unity Anon :)
[07:26] Demo Ho: of course: there is no point in squatting if you cannot rez :)
[07:26] Anon: oh sl left unity own a whole sim as well? : impressive
[07:27] Agnes S. : i have to ask if all of you agree to put this discussion on the blog

[07:27] Pip Torok: thks for your input ... and visit CDS by searching "democracy"
[07:28] Agnes S. : :)
[07:28] Demo Ho: i agree to publish this meeting chatlog including my name, but i doubt what it is useful for...
[07:29] Agnes S. : we have a policy of putting the discussion up in the blog, so that those who didn’t get here have a chance to see what we discussed:)

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SL Uncut

If you would like to know more about SLUncut, please contact me inworld

This is the kind of thing UKUncut is doing at the moment

Reclaiming the banks: Activists turn British banks into creches, classrooms and launderettes in protest over public service cuts

Plot Tracer

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SLUncut Meeting on Monday - please read

by Plot Tracer

I firmly believe SL, like the real world, is a place people can co-operate and help change society and societal “norms.”

How do we do this?

Education is the key.

I wrote this little piece on my blog - HERE

Also read this on the SLLU blog about the demo for the people of Libya, which expresses the importance of political organisation within SL… HERE

We are all in a system and from within it is sometimes difficult to see our part in it.

Those in power are certainly aware of their place in society. They are, at present, ensuring they hold on to their millions / billions /bonuses etc. and with their control of the world’s mainstream media, are peddling the lie that “We are all in this crisis together and are all working to fix this unforeseeable phenomena that wrecked our financial institutions.”

As activists, most of us have seen through this lie. We watch as the weakest in society are now expected to suffer in order to “fix” this crisis – not of their doing. We the working people and poor are being expected to bear the brunt of cuts to our social services and amenities and pay and working conditions while those who caused it, ensure the system in which they cream off billions of pounds is safe. Those at the top pay legions of accountants to ensure they pay little or no tax. So where is the fairness in this “bank bailout?” In what way are “we all in this together?” The platitude is rhymed off and many now are engaged in a synthetic battle between workers and poor to hold on the the scraps we have been thrown down from the high table. Divide and conquer – the tactic used by imperialists from the times of the enforced enclosure of Ireland, through the middle east and into communities within the developed western world – a tactic constantly used in the headlines of our billionaire controlled press and media.

 Fuck Fox…

No more. There are other ways to pay for the banking crises… closing tax havens; closing tax loopholes; a huge reduction in arms proliferation and the economics of war and an investment in the economics of peace and ecologically sound energies… I could go on.

In the real world we see communities fighting to retain their libraries, their schools, staff for their schools, community police, leisure facilities, heating allowances (in the more northern climes), maternity facilities and allowances etc etc. And rather than these groups fighting for the $/£ limited by Govt, why shouldn’t we all fight together for a better ran world?

Across the world, from Wisconsin to Glasgow, London, Madrid, Paris, Athens and beyond, people are taking to the streets and demanding their right to a better world. One were resources are not hoarded by billionaires and their millionaire lackey politicians, but where resources are shared. If we are all born equal, then why are some children born into a world in which they will always have more than they need while other children in the same countries must struggle from the word go to eat?

Proposal

I feel, if we can reach as many large groups and sims in SL and ask them to put on an event at which people are asked to either sign a worldwide petition (wording to be agreed) AND/ or are given a notecard with simple facts about the economic crisis, we will be part of a chain that is educating people about how they are being oppressed by the people who caused this crisis, but who sit in their tax free ivory towers telling us we are all in this together.

I propose we set a date (perhaps sometime in April) in which all of SL will be awash with events from art events, political rallies, music events, poetry, exhibitions, writing “dashes”, political discourse, club nights etc – but all publicising the petition and notecard – and ask people to send the notecard to a friend or some friends – so this spreads further.

I propose this group of organisers spread the word of this event to owners of groups and media outlets attached to SL.

I propose that this group become the core who collate all of the events people are proposing and release them to various websites, from our own organisations websites, to places on mainstream media websites such as cnn where we can add reports and comments.

I propose that this group draft and then agree on a statement for the notecard and also set up the petition site, and draft the wording of the petition that will ensure the involvement of as many people across the political spectrum as we can without diluting our message.

I propose we open a new group for people who want to continue the struggle against the austerity measures by exposing the tax misadventures of the corporations in much the way UKUNCUT and now, USUNCUT are doing – I have created a group called SLUNCUT – and will open this group if we decide this is a good idea.

Please come to the meeting on Monday 28th February (time tba).  I also propose a second meeting at a time that suits other time zones. Please let me know when this could take place and I will inform the group of a time that will suit most of the others.

Please pass this message on to others you feel may be interested.

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Excellent article as to why education is key... HERE

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Proposal for SLUncut (Italiano - Proposta sotto)

Please email me at plottracer@googlemail.com or contact me inworld if you wish to see changes in this draft document or wish to help)

PROPOSAL

As the financial solution of the business leaders and their chosen political representatives to their financial crisis across the world is now impoverishing people, we need to first of all make people aware of the origins of this crisis and how those who caused it are being financially cushioned. Secondly we need to come together and share experiences on local fight backs and help plan and become part of a bigger fight back.

We, (SL Left Unity) as an anti-capitalist group- and a loose confederation of groups and individuals, recognise that this fight back will include people who do not share our anti-capitalist view. As we see students taking to the streets across the world, and countries ridding themselves of their profiteering dictators who were imposing grinding poverty upon their citizenry, we understand completely that this fight against the bankers and billionaires who caused this crisis and who refuse to pay taxes to alleviate the problems they caused, cuts across all classes, pay grades and communities.

We celebrate the small victories of communities retaining their local schools and village halls and disabled parking spaces as well as the fall of dictatorships and the clawing back of unpaid taxes by corporations making billions in profits. We believe we should through an organised space/group, share these victories and in doing so, inform others who are beginning struggles for the same ends.

We in SLLU propose a grid wide day of music, political discourse, poetry, exhibitions, demonstrations and whatever else our talented SL’ers can come up with in opposition to the solution the billionaires are forcing our politicians (we also recognise that some politicians are complicit!) on meting out upon us, the poor, working and middle classes. The losses incurred by their crisis were OUR losses – our taxes were used to bail them out so they could continue their bonus and massive profits lifestyle – while we are being made to pay twice – now by way of losing our social services and jobs.

SL can be part of the fightback!

Contact Plot Tracer if you are interested in helping!

SLUncut?

(The model of fightback began by students and people who are being made to suffer because of this “crisis” is spreading across the world – most recently the US – see here - http://brightgreenscotland.org/index.php/2011/02/us-uncut-is-born/ )

WHO WE ARE.

SLLU came together back in 2006 to try to create a hub for the anti-capitalist left in SL. We have been successful in doing that both by way of our group and the physical spaces we manage and allow people to use our facilities for meetings and as hubs to their own spaces. We have a blog stretching back to 2006 and stands as a reasonable record of what we have achieved and facilitated other people achieving over the past five years. http://www.slleftunity.com

PROPOSTA

Visto che la soluzione degli imprenditori e dei loro rappresentanti politici e’ quella di è impoverire la gente, dobbiamo prima di tutto rendere le persone consapevoli delle origini di questa crisi e avere chiaro le responsabilita’ di coloro che l’hanno causata finanziariamente . In secondo luogo abbiamo bisogno di incontrarci e condividere le esperienze sulla scia delle lotte locali e contribuire a progettare e diventare parte di una lotta più avanzata e generale.

Noi, (SL Left Unity) come gruppo anti-capitalista e facente parte di una libera confederazione di gruppi e individui, riconosce che questa lotta include persone che non condividono il nostro punto di vista anti-capitalista.

Come si vede gli studenti scendono in piazza in tutto il mondo, e molti paesi si sbarazzano dei loro dittatori. Capiamo completamente che questa lotta contro i banchieri e miliardari che hanno causato questa crisi e che al tempo stesso si rifiutano di pagare le tasse che potrebbero servire per alleviare i l’impoverimento di tutte le classi sociali.

CONTACT Plot Tracer plottracer@googlemail.com

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